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"While scholars are in consensus that the main cause of the famine was largely man-made, not all historians believe that the term man-made is applicable to the Holodomor"

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Genuinely, what in the world is this supposed to mean? Finnigami (talk) 16:50, 2 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

No idea, the second part is a fairly recent addition, while the first one has been in the article for a long time. I have removed the newer addition and qualified the first statement as "most scholars". The additional qualifier "largely" before "man-made" was already there. Together that should be sufficient to do justice to the few opposing voices. Gawaon (talk) 03:40, 3 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Discrimination and persecution of Ukrainians

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This subsection is clearly anchoring heavily on Mark Tauger's comments on the Markevich, Naumenko, and Qian paper titled "The Causes of Ukrainian Famine Mortality, 1932-1933" and presents information as if Tauger's criticisms are unaddressed in the paper. The Tauger critiques seem to apply to a 2021 working paper version. The paper is now published at the Review of Economic Studies (a top 5 economics journal) and includes robustness checks for the claims Tauger makes as alternative explanation for Markevich et al. findings. It seems this section should either end with the initial Naumenko response to Tauger's comments or include the details from the paper's results & robustness checks that directly test Tauger's claims. Instead, the section continues as if Tauger has refuted the paper's claims. 2600:4040:2537:A000:64FE:1747:1F53:D0F9 (talk) 04:54, 3 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Tauger's position is largely overrepresented in these articles unfortunately—blindlynx 14:06, 3 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 20 February 2025

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69.178.99.160 (talk) 08:52, 20 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. — 🪫Volatile 📲T | ⌨️C 08:57, 20 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 20 February 2025

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I believe that the image caption in the Genocide Question section requires further clarification. To not even address the fact that the image is often thoroughly cited as a fake is incredibly biased. Although this subject is most likely sensitive to those who have locked the article to proudly proclaim the Chicago American front page without context in the caption appears to be a form of bias by omission. Please change the caption Chicago American front page to Chicago American frontpage to Chicago American frontpage (credibility challenged by far left historian Douglas Tottle) 69.178.99.160 (talk) 08:55, 20 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. — 🪫Volatile 📲T | ⌨️C 09:00, 20 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 14 March 2025

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This definition is Russian propoganda. The cause was Russia and intentional. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 104.224.34.176 (talk) 20:07, 14 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Gawaon (talk) 10:01, 16 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 2 April 2025

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In the section "Torgsin system" change "Torsion networks" to "Torgsin networks" in the first sentence. Also, in the second to last sentence, change "torsgins" to "torgsins". Third, please add a link Torgsin: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Torgsin 108.56.142.47 (talk) 03:07, 2 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

 Done meamemg (talk) 15:22, 2 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 11 April 2025

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The entire second paragraph that argues that there is a scholarly debate about whether the Holodomor was intentional or not has zero citations. It at least needs some additions of “citation needed.” We know from climate change discourse and smoking discourse that uncertainty can be manufactured and weaponized. Especially with the history of inaccurate reporting at the time that the famine didn’t exist, I think there’s a duty to show that scholars themselves think there is a debate. Thank you! 97.117.64.13 (talk) 14:04, 11 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: The lead of an article typically avoids citations. The details in that paragraph are sourced in the main article body — Czello (music) 14:18, 11 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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While most scholars are in consensus that the main cause of the famine was largely man-made, it remains in dispute whether the Holodomor was intentional and whether it was directed at Ukrainians and whether it constitutes a genocide, the point of contention being the absence of attested documents explicitly ordering the starvation of any area in the Soviet Union.

This claim should be either sourced and clarified or removed since the existence or lack of a written document explicitly ordering a genocide is alone not a valid point of contention for whether a genocide took place. See the functionalism debate on the Holocaust. 24.126.12.119 (talk) 18:04, 27 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

This is discussed in more detail in the body and so doesn't need repeated citations in the lead, per MOS:LEADCITE. Gawaon (talk) 13:00, 28 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]